[U-Boot] WELCOME to the new mailing list
Hello everybody,
after the automatic notice you should have received telling you that you have been subscribed to the new U-Boot mailing list, I would like to welcome you here, too.
From now on, the old mailing list at SourceForge should be considered
obsolete. Please post new messages only to the new mailing list address:
u-boot@lists.denx.de
Thanks.
Best regards,
Wolfgang Denk
From now on, the old mailing list at SourceForge should be considered
obsolete. Please post new messages only to the new mailing list address:
Hi,
Unless there is a plan to bring the sourceforge archives to the new host, it might be helpful to include a link back to the old archives. They are a great resource, and I'm certain there will be many questions wondering where to find them...
Cheers, -Kelsey
In message 20080807215907.GL2152@nimrod.unx.ca you wrote:
Unless there is a plan to bring the sourceforge archives to the new host, it might be helpful to include a link back to the old archives. They are a great resource, and I'm certain there will be many questions wondering where to find them...
There is a plan :-)
Best regards,
Wolfgang Denk
Wolfgang Denk wrote:
In message 20080807215907.GL2152@nimrod.unx.ca you wrote:
Unless there is a plan to bring the sourceforge archives to the new host, it might be helpful to include a link back to the old archives. They are a great resource, and I'm certain there will be many questions wondering where to find them...
There is a plan :-)
Best regards,
Wolfgang Denk
Hi Wolfgang and all,
I don't know what is the culprit, but Wolfgang's mails always lack of Reference: field, thus they always break my thread view of Thunderbird. I confirmed this behavior with Tb@Windows, Tb@Linux and Tb@Mac.
And I expected a new list might fix this problem, but it seems not. Does anyone know what is the problem and how do I work around?
Thanks in advance,
Shinya
Dear Shinya,
in message 489B9915.9070802@ruby.dti.ne.jp you wrote:
I don't know what is the culprit, but Wolfgang's mails always lack of Reference: field, thus they always break my thread view of Thunderbird. I confirmed this behavior with Tb@Windows, Tb@Linux and Tb@Mac.
And I expected a new list might fix this problem, but it seems not. Does anyone know what is the problem and how do I work around?
I'm using a mailer that builds on MH (nmh, to be exact); it will insert appropriate "In-reply-to:" headers, but not "References:" fields.
I was not aware that this might be a problem - nobody ever told me yet, so thanks for pointing this out.
Let me try something...
Best regards,
Wolfgang Denk
Dear Shinya,
in message 489B9915.9070802@ruby.dti.ne.jp you wrote:
I don't know what is the culprit, but Wolfgang's mails always lack of Reference: field, thus they always break my thread view of Thunderbird. I confirmed this behavior with Tb@Windows, Tb@Linux and Tb@Mac.
And I expected a new list might fix this problem, but it seems not. Does anyone know what is the problem and how do I work around?
Please check if this is better now...
Best regards,
Wolfgang Denk
Wolfgang Denk wrote:
in message 489B9915.9070802@ruby.dti.ne.jp you wrote:
I don't know what is the culprit, but Wolfgang's mails always lack of Reference: field, thus they always break my thread view of Thunderbird. I confirmed this behavior with Tb@Windows, Tb@Linux and Tb@Mac.
And I expected a new list might fix this problem, but it seems not. Does anyone know what is the problem and how do I work around?
Please check if this is better now...
Great, it works. This will help me/us to track the list easier.
Thanks a lot,
Shinya
Dear Shinya Kuribayashi,
In message 489C694F.6080307@ruby.dti.ne.jp you wrote:
Great, it works. This will help me/us to track the list easier.
You are welcome. The problem was that I never updated my replcomps file since initial installation many, many years ago (long before the invention of threading).
Best regards,
Wolfgang Denk
Subject line tags in the transition to the new mailing list server:
u-boot-users@lists.sourceforge.net generates [U-Boot-Users]. u-boot@lists.denx.de generates a [U-Boot].
Wolfgang Denk wrote:
Hello everybody,
after the automatic notice you should have received telling you that you have been subscribed to the new U-Boot mailing list, I would like to welcome you here, too.
From now on, the old mailing list at SourceForge should be considered obsolete. Please post new messages only to the new mailing list address:
Messages with just [U-Boot-Users] in the subject line implies it was handled by u-boot-users@lists.sourceforge.net. If this is the case, let the SF server handle the thread to completion! This is an implication of the sentence "Please post new messages only to the new mailing list address".
Messages with both [U-Boot-Users] and [U-Boot] in the subject line implies it was handled by both by u-boot-users@lists.sourceforge.net and later handled by u-boot@lists.denx.de. Such messages should have stayed on the u-boot-users@lists.sourceforge.net to completion. Should they be switched back to the u-boot-users@lists.sourceforge.net server or would that mess up the archiving of messages even more? I'm assuming that it is desirable to have complete threads on either of the two mailing list servers and not split threads between them.
Never send messages to both servers simultaneously. Everyone on the mailing list may get duplicate messages as a result.
Messages with only [U-Boot] in the subject line implies that the thread started on the u-boot@lists.denx.de server. The thread will stay on this server unless someone manually switches it to the old server or their mail client is severely misconfigured. Never switch a thread that started on the new server back to the old server. I have _not_ noticed this yet.
Please correct me, if I've misunderstood the transition plan for switching to the new u-boot@lists.denx.de mailing list server.
Sincerely,
Ken Fuchs
On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 10:20:50AM -0500, Ken.Fuchs@bench.com wrote:
Messages with just [U-Boot-Users] in the subject line implies it was handled by u-boot-users@lists.sourceforge.net. If this is the case, let the SF server handle the thread to completion! This is an implication of the sentence "Please post new messages only to the new mailing list address".
New messages != new threads, and I'd assume the "only" applies to "mailing list address", not "new messages".
-Scott
Dear Ken.Fuchs@bench.com,
In message AA28F077645B324881335614E4F7C4284A49FC@win-ex01.bench.com you wrote:
Subject line tags in the transition to the new mailing list server:
u-boot-users@lists.sourceforge.net generates [U-Boot-Users]. u-boot@lists.denx.de generates a [U-Boot].
That's intentional, as the new list's name is "u-boot" (and not "u-boot-users" any more. I felt the "-users" part was wrong, as this list is at least as much intended for developers.
Wolfgang Denk wrote:
Messages with just [U-Boot-Users] in the subject line implies it was handled by u-boot-users@lists.sourceforge.net. If this is the case, let the SF server handle the thread to completion!
This is not necessary. Threading should continue to work even when you continue on the new list. Same holds for the archive, I hope (but this has not been recovered yet).
This is an implication of the sentence "Please post new messages only to the new mailing list address".
Actually it means what it says.
Messages with both [U-Boot-Users] and [U-Boot] in the subject line implies it was handled by both by u-boot-users@lists.sourceforge.net and later handled by u-boot@lists.denx.de. Such messages should have stayed on the u-boot-users@lists.sourceforge.net to completion.
NO, this should be avoided. Please STOP posting to the SF list!
Never send messages to both servers simultaneously. Everyone on the mailing list may get duplicate messages as a result.
Do not send messages to the old list any more, please.
Best regards,
Wolfgang Denk
Ken Fuchs wrote:
Messages with just [U-Boot-Users] in the subject line implies it was handled by u-boot-users@lists.sourceforge.net. If this is the case, let the SF server handle the thread to completion!
Wolfgang Denk wrote:
This is not necessary. Threading should continue to work even when you continue on the new list. Same holds for the archive, I hope (but this has not been recovered yet).
A mailing list server typically only archives messages that it actually serves, so a separate archiving server subscribed to both lists would be needed to ensure entire threads are archived together whose messages have been split between the u-boot-users and u-boot mailing list servers.
This is an implication of the sentence "Please post new messages only to the new mailing list address".
Actually it means what it says.
It doesn't necessarily mean what you thought it meant:
It says "new" messages implying that non-new messages can be posted as well (A valid interpretation of a new message is a message with a _new_ topic/subject, starting a _new_ thread; a valid interpretation of non-new messages is responses to old messages).
Even the simplest message can be easily misinterpreted, because natural languages are imprecise and depend on the experiences of the receiver of the message even more than experiences of the sender (eye of the beholder).
If the intention was that everyone post _all_ messages to the new server then the following sentence would have been clearer:
"Please post _all_ messages to the new mailing list address".
--- Unrelated topic ----
The new mailing list server is perhaps broken in the same way as the old server:
Your response to my post was sent directly to me without the [U-Boot] tag in the subject line. My Mailman profile is configured such that the server must send all mailing list messages to me despite my address already being in a To or CC header. However, the old server didn't do this and neither does the new server.
Has anyone else experienced this same problem with the new server?
Sincerely,
Ken Fuchs
Dear Ken.Fuchs@bench.com,
In message AA28F077645B324881335614E4F7C4284A4A00@win-ex01.bench.com you wrote:
A mailing list server typically only archives messages that it actually serves, so a separate archiving server subscribed to
Typically. Assume that the mailing list archive on list.denx.de will include the old archives from SF, too. It doesn't yet, but it will.
both lists would be needed to ensure entire threads are archived together whose messages have been split between the u-boot-users and u-boot mailing list servers.
This is an implication of the sentence "Please post new messages only to the new mailing list address".
Actually it means what it says.
It doesn't necessarily mean what you thought it meant:
I though it to mean what it says it means :-)
It says "new" messages implying that non-new messages can be posted
Non-new messages would mean to re-send old messages - that its obviously is pretty stupid thing to do.
as well (A valid interpretation of a new message is a message with a _new_ topic/subject, starting a _new_ thread; a valid
No. A new message is a new message, independent of any thread it belongs to, wheter this may be an old, existing thread r a new one.
interpretation of non-new messages is responses to old messages).
I strongly disagree. You have to send a new message to respond to an old one.
The new mailing list server is perhaps broken in the same way as the old server:
Your response to my post was sent directly to me without the [U-Boot] tag in the subject line. My Mailman profile is
What makes you think the mailing list server is to blame for that? If I send a message to you, with the list on cc:, the list server has no chance of interfering with the message I send to you.
configured such that the server must send all mailing list messages to me despite my address already being in a To or CC header. However, the old server didn't do this and neither does the new server.
Are you absolutely sure that the list server is doing this? And not your own mail server on your receiving end?
Has anyone else experienced this same problem with the new server?
None that I know of.
Best regards,
Wolfgang Denk
Wolfgang Denk ha scritto:
Hello everybody,
after the automatic notice you should have received telling you that you have been subscribed to the new U-Boot mailing list, I would like to welcome you here, too.
From now on, the old mailing list at SourceForge should be considered obsolete. Please post new messages only to the new mailing list address:
u-boot@lists.denx.de
Thanks.
Best regards,
Wolfgang Denk
Thank you seema that I'm still receiving messages mixed between both lists. Do I have to unsubscribe sourceforge one ? TIA
Best regards -- /marco cavallini
Dear Marco Cavallini,
In message 48A00066.1040604@gmail.com you wrote:
seema that I'm still receiving messages mixed between both lists.
Yes, a few people still post to the old list. I think that trafic on the old list will go down quickly.
Do I have to unsubscribe sourceforge one ?
No.
Best regards,
Wolfgang Denk
participants (6)
-
Kelsey Dawes -
Ken.Fuchs＠bench.com -
Marco Cavallini -
Scott Wood -
Shinya Kuribayashi -
Wolfgang Denk