[U-Boot] Question about GPL v3 font
Hi.
According to the Kconfig entry, drivers/video/fonts/nimbus_sans_l_regular.ttf is licensed under GPL v3.
How the license is handled when U-Boot is compiled with CONFIG_CONSOLE_TRUETYPE_NIMBUS=y ?
I am asking this since many companies, I guess, have GPL-v3 allergy.
config CONSOLE_TRUETYPE_NIMBUS bool "Nimbus Sans Regular" depends on CONSOLE_TRUETYPE default y help Nimbus Sans L is a version of Nimbus Sans using Adobe font sources. It was designed in 1987. A subset of Nimbus Sans L were released under the GPL. Although the characters are not exactly the same, Nimbus Sans L has metrics almost identical to Helvetica and Arial. (From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) From: https://fontlibrary.org/en/font/nimbus-sans-l License: GNU GPL v3 http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 06:42:47PM +0900, Masahiro Yamada wrote:
Hi.
According to the Kconfig entry, drivers/video/fonts/nimbus_sans_l_regular.ttf is licensed under GPL v3.
How the license is handled when U-Boot is compiled with CONFIG_CONSOLE_TRUETYPE_NIMBUS=y ?
I am asking this since many companies, I guess, have GPL-v3 allergy.
config CONSOLE_TRUETYPE_NIMBUS bool "Nimbus Sans Regular" depends on CONSOLE_TRUETYPE default y help Nimbus Sans L is a version of Nimbus Sans using Adobe font sources. It was designed in 1987. A subset of Nimbus Sans L were released under the GPL. Although the characters are not exactly the same, Nimbus Sans L has metrics almost identical to Helvetica and Arial. (From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) From: https://fontlibrary.org/en/font/nimbus-sans-l License: GNU GPL v3 http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
It's a good question. I suspect the answer is that we should drop that font as I don't know if you can combine "GPLv2 only" and "GPLv2 or later" with "GPLv3".
Hi,
On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 at 11:07, Tom Rini trini@konsulko.com wrote:
On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 06:42:47PM +0900, Masahiro Yamada wrote:
Hi.
According to the Kconfig entry, drivers/video/fonts/nimbus_sans_l_regular.ttf is licensed under GPL v3.
How the license is handled when U-Boot is compiled with CONFIG_CONSOLE_TRUETYPE_NIMBUS=y ?
I am asking this since many companies, I guess, have GPL-v3 allergy.
config CONSOLE_TRUETYPE_NIMBUS bool "Nimbus Sans Regular" depends on CONSOLE_TRUETYPE default y help Nimbus Sans L is a version of Nimbus Sans using Adobe font sources. It was designed in 1987. A subset of Nimbus Sans L were released under the GPL. Although the characters are not exactly the same, Nimbus Sans L has metrics almost identical to Helvetica and Arial. (From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) From: https://fontlibrary.org/en/font/nimbus-sans-l License: GNU GPL v3 http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
It's a good question. I suspect the answer is that we should drop that font as I don't know if you can combine "GPLv2 only" and "GPLv2 or later" with "GPLv3".
Yes, agreed. Can we find another similar font?
Regards, Simon
On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 03:34:20AM -0600, Simon Glass wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 at 11:07, Tom Rini trini@konsulko.com wrote:
On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 06:42:47PM +0900, Masahiro Yamada wrote:
Hi.
According to the Kconfig entry, drivers/video/fonts/nimbus_sans_l_regular.ttf is licensed under GPL v3.
How the license is handled when U-Boot is compiled with CONFIG_CONSOLE_TRUETYPE_NIMBUS=y ?
I am asking this since many companies, I guess, have GPL-v3 allergy.
config CONSOLE_TRUETYPE_NIMBUS bool "Nimbus Sans Regular" depends on CONSOLE_TRUETYPE default y help Nimbus Sans L is a version of Nimbus Sans using Adobe font sources. It was designed in 1987. A subset of Nimbus Sans L were released under the GPL. Although the characters are not exactly the same, Nimbus Sans L has metrics almost identical to Helvetica and Arial. (From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) From: https://fontlibrary.org/en/font/nimbus-sans-l License: GNU GPL v3 http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
It's a good question. I suspect the answer is that we should drop that font as I don't know if you can combine "GPLv2 only" and "GPLv2 or later" with "GPLv3".
Yes, agreed. Can we find another similar font?
Depends on who "we" is I suppose. Yes, I would love to see someone submit a new font that's GPLv2 only compatible.
On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 2:13 AM Tom Rini trini@konsulko.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 03:34:20AM -0600, Simon Glass wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 at 11:07, Tom Rini trini@konsulko.com wrote:
On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 06:42:47PM +0900, Masahiro Yamada wrote:
Hi.
According to the Kconfig entry, drivers/video/fonts/nimbus_sans_l_regular.ttf is licensed under GPL v3.
How the license is handled when U-Boot is compiled with CONFIG_CONSOLE_TRUETYPE_NIMBUS=y ?
I am asking this since many companies, I guess, have GPL-v3 allergy.
config CONSOLE_TRUETYPE_NIMBUS bool "Nimbus Sans Regular" depends on CONSOLE_TRUETYPE default y help Nimbus Sans L is a version of Nimbus Sans using Adobe font sources. It was designed in 1987. A subset of Nimbus Sans L were released under the GPL. Although the characters are not exactly the same, Nimbus Sans L has metrics almost identical to Helvetica and Arial. (From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) From: https://fontlibrary.org/en/font/nimbus-sans-l License: GNU GPL v3 http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
It's a good question. I suspect the answer is that we should drop that font as I don't know if you can combine "GPLv2 only" and "GPLv2 or later" with "GPLv3".
Yes, agreed. Can we find another similar font?
Is it important to have a *similar* font?
We have 3 more fonts in drivers/video/fonts/, so they should be functional at least.
The license incompatibility is a more fatal problem. So, we should drop this font as soon as possible.
When _we_ find nice fonts, we can add them later. It is desirable, but not important.
Depends on who "we" is I suppose. Yes, I would love to see someone submit a new font that's GPLv2 only compatible.
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On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 01:34:06PM +0900, Masahiro Yamada wrote:
On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 2:13 AM Tom Rini trini@konsulko.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 03:34:20AM -0600, Simon Glass wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 at 11:07, Tom Rini trini@konsulko.com wrote:
On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 06:42:47PM +0900, Masahiro Yamada wrote:
Hi.
According to the Kconfig entry, drivers/video/fonts/nimbus_sans_l_regular.ttf is licensed under GPL v3.
How the license is handled when U-Boot is compiled with CONFIG_CONSOLE_TRUETYPE_NIMBUS=y ?
I am asking this since many companies, I guess, have GPL-v3 allergy.
config CONSOLE_TRUETYPE_NIMBUS bool "Nimbus Sans Regular" depends on CONSOLE_TRUETYPE default y help Nimbus Sans L is a version of Nimbus Sans using Adobe font sources. It was designed in 1987. A subset of Nimbus Sans L were released under the GPL. Although the characters are not exactly the same, Nimbus Sans L has metrics almost identical to Helvetica and Arial. (From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) From: https://fontlibrary.org/en/font/nimbus-sans-l License: GNU GPL v3 http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
It's a good question. I suspect the answer is that we should drop that font as I don't know if you can combine "GPLv2 only" and "GPLv2 or later" with "GPLv3".
Yes, agreed. Can we find another similar font?
Is it important to have a *similar* font?
We have 3 more fonts in drivers/video/fonts/, so they should be functional at least.
The license incompatibility is a more fatal problem. So, we should drop this font as soon as possible.
When _we_ find nice fonts, we can add them later. It is desirable, but not important.
Agreed. Simon, do you want me to remove it, or do you want to send a patch to remove it? Thanks!
Dear Tom,
In message 20190726170700.GQ20116@bill-the-cat you wrote:
It was designed in 1987. A subset of Nimbus Sans L were released under the GPL. Although the characters are not exactly the same, Nimbus Sans L has metrics almost identical to Helvetica and Ari=al.
(From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) From: https://fontlibrary.org/en/font/nimbus-sans-l License: GNU GPL v3 http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.htmlIt's a good question. I suspect the answer is that we should drop that font as I don't know if you can combine "GPLv2 only" and "GPLv2 or later" with "GPLv3".
Should we not first make sure the license is really GPLv3?
At the moment the URL https://fontlibrary.org/en/font/nimbus-sans-l does not work. But there are other sources which suggest that this font might actually be GPLv2 instead, see for example "Licensing" at https://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/nimbus-sans-l
Or see https://www.1001fonts.com/nimbus-sans-l-font.html
Best regards,
Wolfgang Denk
Hi Wolfgang,
On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 at 21:51, Wolfgang Denk wd@denx.de wrote:
Dear Tom,
In message 20190726170700.GQ20116@bill-the-cat you wrote:
It was designed in 1987. A subset of Nimbus Sans L were released under the GPL. Although the characters are not exactly the same, Nimbus Sans L has metrics almost identical to Helvetica and Ari=al.
(From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) From: https://fontlibrary.org/en/font/nimbus-sans-l License: GNU GPL v3 http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.htmlIt's a good question. I suspect the answer is that we should drop that font as I don't know if you can combine "GPLv2 only" and "GPLv2 or later" with "GPLv3".
Should we not first make sure the license is really GPLv3?
At the moment the URL https://fontlibrary.org/en/font/nimbus-sans-l does not work. But there are other sources which suggest that this font might actually be GPLv2 instead, see for example "Licensing" at https://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/nimbus-sans-l
Yes I see that now. I am not actually sure of the license but it is certainly possible it could be GPLv2. Is there a way to find the authoritative source?
I will send a patch to replace this with roboto, which seems to be clearly licensed.
Regards, Simon
On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 07:45:49PM +1300, Simon Glass wrote:
Hi Wolfgang,
On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 at 21:51, Wolfgang Denk wd@denx.de wrote:
Dear Tom,
In message 20190726170700.GQ20116@bill-the-cat you wrote:
It was designed in 1987. A subset of Nimbus Sans L were released under the GPL. Although the characters are not exactly the same, Nimbus Sans L has metrics almost identical to Helvetica and Ari=al.
(From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) From: https://fontlibrary.org/en/font/nimbus-sans-l License: GNU GPL v3 http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.htmlIt's a good question. I suspect the answer is that we should drop that font as I don't know if you can combine "GPLv2 only" and "GPLv2 or later" with "GPLv3".
Should we not first make sure the license is really GPLv3?
At the moment the URL https://fontlibrary.org/en/font/nimbus-sans-l does not work. But there are other sources which suggest that this font might actually be GPLv2 instead, see for example "Licensing" at https://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/nimbus-sans-l
Yes I see that now. I am not actually sure of the license but it is certainly possible it could be GPLv2. Is there a way to find the authoritative source?
I will send a patch to replace this with roboto, which seems to be clearly licensed.
Roboto is licensed under Apache 2.0
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html#apache2 "Please note that this license is not compatible with GPL version 2"
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