Dear Remy,
In message 3efb10970901051230w654dc1d0w2fbf878ca853cdcb@mail.gmail.com you wrote:
I think your appraoch (and that of kbuild, too) is fundamentally broken.
Maybe the configure structure, like u-boot has, that is so complex, so hard to customise, so error prone, and were relations between options is so unclear from the users perspective, is fundamentally broken ;-)))
It may be broken (or at least in need of imprevement), too. But that doesn't contradict my statement.
I thought of it before to integrate Kconfig/kbuild and friends in U-boot, but I got the impression back then that it would have a very small chance of being ever accepted, so I did not invest much time in it...
You know that Jean-Christophe is working on this, don't you?
Fixing this on the Makefile level is at least one level to far up. If you really want a verbosity level of make that is between no options (normal case) and no output (except warnings/errors, as with -s), then this should be implemnted within make itself, as a new make option.Then you have the changes in one place only, and each and every software package can benefit from it. Modifying hundrets of Makefiles here and there and then again for each new software package makes absolutely no sense to me.
Maybe the linux makefile structure is a much better approach :-))) (in that case even weak-linking could work properly)
No, please don't mix things up here. There are already quite a lot of tools out there which use such a "silencing" in their Makefiles. And more and more do it. So it cannot ba a bad thing, he?
But wait - it is a very basic principle of software design *not* to do the same thing again and again and from scratch in every new project. It is good design to do this just *once*, at the right place where it provides the required function for all those looking for that feature.
If semi-silent output from a Makefile is wanted, then the "make" tool itself is the correct place to add this feature. Adding it to a zillion Makefiles in many different projects is very fundamentally broken.
Best regards,
Wolfgang Denk