Hi Tom,
On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 at 09:24, Tom Rini trini@konsulko.com wrote:
On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 05:40:03PM +0200, Heinrich Schuchardt wrote:
On 20.10.23 15:21, Simon Glass wrote:
+Doug Anderson
Hi Heinrich,
On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 at 09:09, Heinrich Schuchardt heinrich.schuchardt@canonical.com wrote:
On 19.10.23 15:55, Simon Glass wrote:
Hi Heinrich,
On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 at 02:15, Heinrich Schuchardt heinrich.schuchardt@canonical.com wrote:
On 10/18/23 05:33, Simon Glass wrote: > Hi Heinrich, > > On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 at 07:50, Heinrich Schuchardt > heinrich.schuchardt@canonical.com wrote: > > > > Forward and backward compatibility of Linux kernel device-trees is > > sometimes missing. One solution approach is to load a kernel specific > > device-tree. This can either be done via a U-Boot scripts (like the one > > generated by Debian package flash-kernel or by a boot loader like GRUB. > > The boot loader approach currently requires to know the device-tree name > > before first boot which makes it unusable for generic images. > > > > Expose the device-tree file name as EFI variable FdtFile. > > This will allow bootloaders to load a kernel specific device-tree. > > > > The variable will not be exposed on ACPI based systems or if the > > environment variable fdtfile is not defined. > > > > Signed-off-by: Heinrich Schuchardt heinrich.schuchardt@canonical.com > > --- > > v2: > > Use a unique GUID to enable future U-Boot independent > > standardization. > > Do not try to add the variable on ACPI based systems. > > --- > > include/efi_loader.h | 5 +++++ > > lib/efi_loader/efi_setup.c | 30 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > 2 files changed, 35 insertions(+) > > I was too slow to reply to v1. > > Does grub load the DT? I was assuming that U-Boot would pass it on? > What is the interface between U-Boot and grub?
The device-tree built into U-Boot is often out of date and not usable to boot current Linux. A single device-tree can be loaded by U-Boot from file and passed on as EFI configuration table. This device-tree may not be compatible with all kernel versions exposed by GRUB.
GRUB provides a devicetree command. It is disabled if you use secure boot. At least in Debian and Ubuntu GRUB invokes the EFI_DT_FIXUP_PROTOCOL exposed by U-Boot to run U-Boot's device-tree fix-ups after loading a device-tree.
Vendor scripts for GRUB like Ubuntu's /etc/grub.d/10_linux add devicetree commands to the boot options in grub.cfg.
Thanks. I wonder if you could document this somewhere? It seems like there are a lot of options and it is quite complicated.
Back to the question, I suppose you are expecting grub to load the DT using this filename? But why doesn't U-Boot load it instead? It seems very convoluted.
A separate file of this name exists for every kernel version installed. The loaded dtb must match the kernel. U-Boot does not know what kernel version will be chosen in GRUB. And for a generic image GRUB does not what board it is on.
Also, can we test this interface?
Neither the sandbox nor QEMU have environment variable fdtfile. And we don't create the EFI variable with ACPI as used on the sandbox.
I worry that this is creating another interface that some poor sod is going to have to deal with in the future. Is this part of the EFI standard?
No, the UEFI standard does not care much about device-trees. It only defines the GUID for the configuration table.
We should really be using the compatible string to choose the devicetree. Why are we using filenames at all? What is the relationship between the compatible string and the filename? Is there a lookup table, or should we create one?
There is no 1:1 relationship between compatible string and filename, e.g. the following arm64 device-trees use the same compatible string:
amd/amd-overdrive-rev-b0.dts amd/amd-overdrive-rev-b1.dts
amlogic/meson-axg-jethome-jethub-j110-rev-2.dts amlogic/meson-axg-jethome-jethub-j110-rev-3.dts
xilinx/zynqmp-zc1751-xm015-dc1.dts xilinx/zynqmp-zc1751-xm015-dc1.dts xilinx/zynqmp-zc1751-xm015-dc1.dts xilinx/zynqmp-zc1751-xm015-dc1.dts
The correct way of doing this is implemented in U-Boot with CONFIG_FIT_BEST_MATCH.
Why should we write complicated code to find a *possibly* matching file if we already know the filename that needs to be loaded?
I think that is the unfortunate key here. We can make a guess, or best match, but it might not be right. And we need a reliable way to find and use the correct tree. And the U-Boot portion of that may be "set the EFI var if it's not already set" rather than "and now load it".
That is not my understanding of how it works. The compatible string is how Linux knows what the hardware is...if it doesn't match, then things are going to go wrong. It is also how U-Boot works, e.g. with FIT. I don't believe this is a 'guess'. The compatible string is used programmatically and must be correct.
fdt_node_check_compatible() does most of the work...then you need to check which FDT has the most specific match (i.e. latest in the string list). That handles things like board revisions, variants, etc.
My concern is about adding a feature when there is already a defined spec and mechanism for this to work. What happens when we load the file and the compatible is wrong?
At best, I see the filename as a hint.
[Perhaps this is the wrong time to ask, but why are kernels +DT not shipped in FIT on ARM?]
Can we mirror something like that in grub, etc?
I'm splitting this part out because no, having to have N projects write the same bit of code, but with its own quirks and bugs doesn't sound like the right direction. It's why today we have a few different sets of logic to try and find / set the right device tree, so that whatever follows after doesn't have to also do that, and get updated for every new platform too.
And of course yes, ideally, boards would be manufactured with an up to date and correct device tree on them.
OK, well I perhaps have the wrong end of the stick here.
As I learn more about how distros boot I see a great need for information about what is actually being booted. For example, the current 'bootflow menu' mostly shows useless information when EFI is used to boot, since it doesn't know what the things are. We have to jump to grub (or whatever) to find out. Grub knows because the OS set up a grub menu.
Really we need to see this standard boot thing to the end. Each OS should provide information from /etc/lsb_release as well as info from menu.grub (sorry can't remember the right name), so that we know what can be booted. Having to jump to an OS-specific bootloader to even be able to show a menu is a pretty poor show.
Anyway I think I understand why this variable is needed. Please add some documentation on all this.
My main concern is whether this sort of thing is going to make it even harder to boot in a simple, standard manner.
Re Heinrich's comment:
There is no 1:1 relationship between compatible string and filename, e.g. the following arm64 device-trees use the same compatible string:
amd/amd-overdrive-rev-b0.dts amd/amd-overdrive-rev-b1.dts
That just seems like a bug to me. The compatible should include the board rev as it does for xlnx,zynqmp-zcu102-rev1.1 etc.
Regards, Simon